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Understanding QSPI memory transaction timings with DMA

Aurelien Robert
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Hello,
I'm implementing QSPI on STM32L451 with a NOR FLASH memory (Micron MT25QL512ABB, 64Mbytes) for the first time, using DMA, for the moment it seems to work, but I'm surprised by the timings.
CPU runs at 16MHz, QSPI clock speed is 8MHz. For this example I'm reading 256 bytes.

Full transaction :

scope_105_full_run_clk.png

I'm surprised to see that the full read sequence is performed in burst of 7 bytes (14 clock cycles), spaced by approx 2µs delay between each burst. Since there is a FIFO on QSPI, there should no delay ? And why always 7 bytes bursts ?

While the transaction is running the CPU is running an infinite loop for debug.

scope_107_burst_sequence.pngscope_106_burst_detail.png

That does not change if FifoThreshold is set to 1, 4 or 8. I have some difficulties to understand this parameter, in typical examples it is set to 4, but why ? Why 4 and not 1 ? What consequences on code ? Does it apply on DMA usage, or only for non DMA access (for "status register read" for example)

Another question : the datasheet suffers from absence of detailled chonograms about the "SampleShifting" parameter. Is it ok to let it at "NONE" ? (no circuitry added on the lines, short connection to the memory, and low frequency clock).

Here are the configurations :

QSPI and DMA modules config :

/* QUADSPI parameter configuration*/
hqspi.Instance = QUADSPI;
hqspi.Init.ClockPrescaler = 1;
hqspi.Init.FifoThreshold = 4;
hqspi.Init.SampleShifting = QSPI_SAMPLE_SHIFTING_NONE;
hqspi.Init.FlashSize = 25;
hqspi.Init.ChipSelectHighTime = QSPI_CS_HIGH_TIME_1_CYCLE;
hqspi.Init.ClockMode = QSPI_CLOCK_MODE_0;
hqspi.Init.FlashID = QSPI_FLASH_ID_1;
hqspi.Init.DualFlash = QSPI_DUALFLASH_DISABLE;

/* QUADSPI DMA Init */
/* QUADSPI Init */
hdma_quadspi.Instance = DMA2_Channel7;
hdma_quadspi.Init.Request = DMA_REQUEST_3;
hdma_quadspi.Init.Direction = DMA_PERIPH_TO_MEMORY;
hdma_quadspi.Init.PeriphInc = DMA_PINC_DISABLE;
hdma_quadspi.Init.MemInc = DMA_MINC_ENABLE;
hdma_quadspi.Init.PeriphDataAlignment = DMA_PDATAALIGN_BYTE;
hdma_quadspi.Init.MemDataAlignment = DMA_MDATAALIGN_BYTE;
hdma_quadspi.Init.Mode = DMA_NORMAL;
hdma_quadspi.Init.Priority = DMA_PRIORITY_MEDIUM;


QSPI read sequence :

uint8_t FLASH_Read_Page(uint32_t address, uint8_t * buffer, uint32_t lg)
{
// Configuring the command execution
qspi_flash_config.AddressSize = QSPI_ADDRESS_32_BITS;
qspi_flash_config.InstructionMode = QSPI_INSTRUCTION_1_LINE;
qspi_flash_config.DdrMode = QSPI_DDR_MODE_DISABLE;
qspi_flash_config.DdrHoldHalfCycle = QSPI_DDR_HHC_ANALOG_DELAY;
qspi_flash_config.SIOOMode = QSPI_SIOO_INST_EVERY_CMD;
qspi_flash_config.AlternateByteMode = QSPI_ALTERNATE_BYTES_NONE;
qspi_flash_config.AlternateBytes = 0;
qspi_flash_config.AlternateBytesSize = 0;

qspi_flash_config.Instruction = CMD_READ_4B_QUADIO_INOUT;
qspi_flash_config.AddressMode = QSPI_ADDRESS_4_LINES;
qspi_flash_config.Address = address;
qspi_flash_config.DummyCycles = 10;
qspi_flash_config.DataMode = QSPI_DATA_4_LINES;
qspi_flash_config.NbData = lg;

HAL_QSPI_Command(&hqspi_flash, &qspi_flash_config, 1000);

HAL_QSPI_Receive_DMA(&hqspi_flash, buffer);
}

 

 

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FBL
ST Employee

Hello @Aurelien Robert,

I guess you are using for the instruction command

CMD_READ_4B_QUADIO_INOUT

0xEC. If so, according to the datasheet, 1Line (instruction)+ 4Lines (address) + 2Lines (NbData lg)

FBelaid_0-1693491253585.png

 

1. Regarding FifoThreshold, it gives the number of valid bytes which are being held in the FIFO. 

In indirect mode, this bit is set when the FIFO threshold has been reached, or if there is any data left in the FIFO after reads from the Flash memory are complete. It is cleared automatically as soon as threshold condition is no longer true.
In automatic polling mode this bit is set every time the status register is read, and the bit is cleared when the data register is read.

2. Regarding sample shifting, SSHIFT bit allows the data to be sampled later in order to account for external signal delays. you may risk data corruption at high frequency if not enabled.

Hope this helps!

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I guess you are using for the instruction command

CMD_READ_4B_QUADIO_INOUT

0xEC. If so, according to the datasheet, 1Byte (instr)+ 4Bytes (address) + 2Bytes (NbData lg) which makes sense. 

FBelaid_0-1693491253585.png


Hello,

Yes, this is the command I used. Where do you see 2 bytes for the data ? I'm reading 256 bytes... My first screenshot show a total of 538 clock cycles : 8 (instruction) + 4*2 (address) + 10 (dummy) + 256*2 (data) = 538. The data transaction part of the screenshots is split into bursts of 7 bytes, and I still do not understand why, I don't see your point when you counting the instruction and the address here...

When doing the same thing for writing data, there are only bursts of 1 byte (2 clocks cycles), spaced by approx 200ns delay.


1. Regarding FifoThreshold, it gives the number of valid bytes which are being held in the FIFO. 

In indirect mode, this bit is set when the FIFO threshold has been reached, or if there is any data left in the FIFO after reads from the Flash memory are complete. It is cleared automatically as soon as threshold condition is no longer true.
In automatic polling mode this bit is set every time the status register is read, and the bit is cleared when the data register is read.


Okay, this is approximately what is written in the datasheet, but concretely, what values should I use for basic polling access (read status) or DMA access (read/write data) ? I'm using HAL functions (for the moment...). In my examples the value of 1 or 4 does not change anything, in which cases (applied to my situation) would I observe differences ?

2. Regarding sample shifting, SSHIFT bit allows the data to be sampled later in order to account for external signal delays. you may risk data corruption at high frequency if not enabled.


In SDR read mode, the memory puts the data on the falling edge of CLK, with a delay (<10ns for this memory), and the STM32 catches it at the rising edge (62ns later). In theory there would be no problem. If I enable sampling shifting, an extra half cycle is waited, so the line is read on the next falling edge of CLK, is that right ?

Thank you

Aurelien

Hello,

I made new tests. If the QSPI clock (after prescaler) is equal or 2x lower than the AHB (CPU/DMA) clock, there are wait cycles between bursts, but if the QSPI clock is 4x lower (QSPI 16MHz and AHB 64MHz) there is no delay, all the data is read in single big burst.

Aurelien

Hello @Aurelien Robert ,

You points are valid. Sorry for my error and my late response. 8 cycles (inst)+ 8 cycles (add) +10 dummy + 256*2 (data) =538 cycles. 

FBelaid_0-1696433832915.png

In Indirect mode, the read operation performed in burst mode and the amount of data to be transferred is set in the QUADSPI_DLR register. 

The delayed data sampling is due to compensation for input data delay propagation time on PCB (10ns).

Theoretically, there would be no problem if the line is read on the next falling edge of CLK when using sample shifting.

I made new tests. If the QSPI clock (after prescaler) is equal or 2x lower than the AHB (CPU/DMA) clock, there are wait cycles between bursts, but if the QSPI clock is 4x lower (QSPI 16MHz and AHB 64MHz) there is no delay, all the data is read in single big burst.


It is possible that the kernel clock being used is bigger the bus clock. So, it reads faster than refreshing the registers!

 

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It is possible that the kernel clock being used is bigger the bus clock. So, it reads faster than refreshing the registers!


Or maybe, if the AHB clock that runs the CPU and DMA is the same that the QSPI module (no prescaler), there are arbitrations that leads to "dead times" to let CPU doing its job (if he needs to access to  the same SRAM bank, an arbitration will be performed to avoid CPU stall (in my config the DMA priority is low). But when the AHB clock (CPU, DMA) is at least 4x higher than the final QSPI clock (prescaler = 1:4 minimum), there is enough time to let the CPU works while the DMA transfers the data from QSPI to SRAM as soon as available ?

Aurelien

Hello @Aurelien Robert 

Thank you for your feedback.

It is possible that DMA priority can help to avoid the CPU Stall.

 

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