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STM32F072V8T6 capacitance and rise time of for I2C

murali
Associate III

I want to know the Bus capacitance and Rise time of STM32F072V8T6 for I2C Calculation, Anyone who has know kindly tell me. Thank you. 

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The capacitance of the bus, as the name suggests,  is defined by the whole bus - not just the microcontroller!

IO pin capacitance will be in the chip's Datasheet - under electrical characteristics:

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The following pages give further AC characteristics

See also:

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@murali wrote:

 and Rise time . 


Again, that is defined by the external bus - not the microcontroller.

Specifically, it is defined by your pull-up resistors.

See this post: 

https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/1849/is-there-a-correct-resistance-value-for-i2c-pull-up-resistors/473799#473799

It contains this diagram - which shows you the effect of the pullup value:

 
 

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A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that worked.
A complex system designed from scratch never works and cannot be patched up to make it work.

Thank you

Hi Andrew Neil,

 

                  Would you inform me of the Hold time of SDA? I want to configure with LT8491 IC of which hole time is at least 300 ns needed.  

The hold time should be at least half a clock cycle (after a rising edge of I2C SCK I2C SDA remains stable: SDA can only change when SCK is low...).

The bits on SDA changes when SCK is low and should be stable for at least half-a-clock period of SCK (to the next falling edge, if SCK is high: SDA should never change: except for START and STOP).

Hold Time is not really so important (it should be guaranteed by I2C device in MCU, it is hold for a half-clock cycle): a "Setup time" could be more interesting (how long before an SCK edge is SDA already stable).

BTW:

as mentioned by Andrew Neil: the capacitance comes from:

  • your I2C cable, the PCB traces, to connect I2C devices
  • and the (external) I2C devices itself (each contributes with a capacitance due to its input - see the datasheet of the external I2C chips you are using)

The "Raise Time" is now a function of this:

  • what is the drive strength, speed settings... for the MCU I2C master signal pins?
  • how many I2C slaves ("capacitors") are connected, how long and how good is the cable?

Also, to bear in mind:

  • I2C needs a pull-up (because all is Open Drain logic)
  • the "Raise Time" is very different: if pulling the signal low (defined by MCU pin characteristics, like speed, drive strength, slew rate...) vs. "releasing" the signal to high: now a function of the pull-up resistor!
  • if you talk about "Raise Time" as "transition from low to high": all related to pull-up, nothing on MCU pin side to control!

The "rule" is:

  • the more I2C slaves are connected on I2C bus - the lower the pull-up resistor has to be
  • the faster the speed on I2C (100 KHz vs. 1 MHz) - the lower the pull-up resistor has to be

When you say "Raise Time" which sounds to me as: "how fast are the signals (both: SCK and SDA) going back from low to high - this is only a function of you pull-up vs. the number of I2C slaves ("capacitors", plus cable). There is nothing on MCU which could control/set the "Raise Time"!

"Rise Time" means specifically the time it takes the bus to rise from the low level to the high level.
This is controlled by the pullups - not the drivers.

"Fall Time", conversely, means the time it takes the bus to fall from the high level to the low level.
This is controlled by the drivers.

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A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that worked.
A complex system designed from scratch never works and cannot be patched up to make it work.

I totally agree with you. Nice explanation (for the OP).
He has mentioned "hold time" in one reply: a completely different topic.
Nothing to add: also very clearly to see the effect of a pull-up (raise time) vs. Open Drain sink for fall time.

A very great picture! (explaining the importance to have the right pull-up values).