What happened to Arduino Star Otto?

[Tesla DeLorean]

Posted on December 22, 2016 at 21:00

http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/ard-otto-stmhtml

http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/about/media-center/press-item.html/t38html

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[waclawek.jan]

Posted on February 16, 2017 at 15:36

It all depends on the price, if they price it significantly higher than 50-60$ they will probably experience bad sales numbers.

That would be already about 150% of a Raspberry PI, Odroid C1 or similar Cortex A board. I would prefer another one of those ...

Well, that

- being replied that it's the Arduinoity what makes the real difference. The question then is, into how many bucks does that extra convert.

IMO Arduino as software/firmware/libraries is perceived to be free as in free beer and folks might be reluctant to pay anything beyond the price of the bare hardware, but then I am so often wrong in these things I don't believe in and don't really understand either. More social than technical I guess.

Also, ST might have been decided to subsidize these boards too.

JW

[AvaTar]

Posted on February 16, 2017 at 16:01

IMO Arduino as software/firmware/libraries is perceived to be free as in free beer and folks might be reluctant to pay anything beyond the price of the bare hardware, but then I am so often wrong in these things I don't believe in and don't really understand either. More social than technical I guess.

Perhaps because of target group assumptions.

Commercial customers either want a perfectly matching evaluation board (think e.g. motor control), or a bare board with power, debug, and (all) GPIOs on headers.

I think the later, 'feature-rich' Discovery boards are useless for in-depth evaluations, but mostly attracted small-budget hobbyists. This would explain the sales numbers somehow.

The Otto board seems in the middle, at least to me. Far too few headers for all the MCU pins ...

I would not want it, neither a similar H7 board.

[Tesla DeLorean]

Posted on February 16, 2017 at 17:37

For the die-hard Arduinoites it is the familiarity and the community.

The more recent DISCOs have got to the point they suck up all available resources for the on-board functionality, and the NUCLEOs lack things I find useful. The shield interface opens up a variety of options, although I've always found the original to be overly limited will little opportunity to stack things. This is compounded by the inflexibility of the STM32 to mux pin function.

By the time this gets to the market one might hope an F7 or H7 is available as a board variant. Although the PI, and full-on embedded Linux might make more sense for some applications it is probably beyond most of the tinkerers.

Like most boards the real pricing will be determined by the Chinese clones..

[Tesla DeLorean]

Posted on February 16, 2017 at 17:44

https://world.taobao.com/item/5444337695htm?fromSite=main

[waclawek.jan]

Posted on March 23, 2017 at 07:48

While still waiting for it to became actually available, enjoy a

http://time4ee.com/articles.php?article_id=42

of

http://www.arduino.org/learning/getting-started/getting-started-with-arduino-star-otto

and a

https://youtu.be/68HeH4-xTMI

... :)

JW

[waclawek.jan]

Posted on August 28, 2017 at 16:20

 ,

 ,

The

http://www.arduino.org/products/boards/arduino-star-otto

from the bottom of ,

http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/ard-otto-stm32.html

now leads to a 404, and there's no mention of OTTO at

https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/Products ♯ retired

 , .

JW

[AvaTar]

Posted on August 28, 2017 at 16:40

One may now put two and two together. Not that I disliked the OTTO project ...

[Tesla DeLorean]

Posted on August 28, 2017 at 18:01

When the bus is a year or two late most people just catch another bus. ST was trying to be more relevant than ATMEL which owned a lot of the Arduino space, but honestly the community has fractured and way more choices available today, and people with focus on the board/micro of their preference.

I trust Roger Clark over the clowns at 'Arduino' the company

http://www.stm32duino.com/

https://github.com/rogerclarkmelbourne/Arduino_STM32

For small form factor stuff there are these

https://community.st.com/0D50X00009XkVwWSAV

[LMI2]

Posted on August 28, 2017 at 21:58

There were two Arduino websites, .org and .cc.Dot CC combined them to .cc. Star Otto was from Dot org. There is or was the Arduino Primo which has one STs Arm in it.

[KevinA]

Posted on September 07, 2017 at 18:35

If ST replaced a few software managers they might have a chance. Currently to get a6 to work with their products is a nightmare, every development board could be programmed with the Arduino IDE if they would hire someone that knew what they were doing. We can program ESP WiFi and BLE parts as well as obscure Leon3 based GPS products! A perfect example is the Due, works great with the gcc compiler.

But they won't, it appears to be a 'not invented here' issue.

I do enjoy playing with their 'DISCO ' products, too bad they can't figure out that Protel version 5 binary files are useless to anyone but 'Protel' users..

UPDATE:

They (someone/stm32duino) has ported some development boards to Arduino:

https://github.com/stm32duino/BoardManagerFiles/raw/master/STM32/package_stm_index.json

  stick that into Preferences and you're halfway there.