To use the ADC data offset registers with ADC1 & 2 should I use Dual injected simultaneous mode?

Robmar · ‎2022-12-07

Using ADC1 and ADC2 and timer3 trigger rising and falling edges to get a 96KHz event, I understand that we can't use Dual injected simultaneous mode with DMA, so we are using Independent mode, but is there a better (more efficient and robust) mode?

I searched the web and the 407 Ref manual but can find nothing to clearly explain this clearly.

Aim is to have synchronous 16-bit ADC conversion with DMA on two inputs at 96 - 384KHz (selectable by user) with time accurate sampling as this is for I and Q sampling, which are 90 degrees out of phase.

Appreciate expert guidance on this as I am new to this chip though have worked on complex MCUs for years, but its a lot to go through a 1700 page manual and from community comments many people seem uncertain about injected channels.

Project volume is around 3K units a year.

Robmar · ‎2022-12-07

I am also concerned if I have this set-up correctly, I start the ADC-DMA transfers requesting 32 samples, and was told that timer3 trigger would cause incrementing memory DMA transfers each trigger, but without the DMA continuous bit set, this doesn't work.

Could each trigger be launching the entire 32 conversions?

This is the code:

 hadc1.Instance = ADC1;
  hadc1.Init.ClockPrescaler = ADC_CLOCK_SYNC_PCLK_DIV8;
  hadc1.Init.Resolution = ADC_RESOLUTION_12B;
  hadc1.Init.ScanConvMode = DISABLE;
  hadc1.Init.ContinuousConvMode = DISABLE;
  hadc1.Init.DiscontinuousConvMode = DISABLE;
  hadc1.Init.ExternalTrigConvEdge = ADC_EXTERNALTRIGCONVEDGE_RISING;
  hadc1.Init.ExternalTrigConv = ADC_EXTERNALTRIGCONV_T3_TRGO;
  hadc1.Init.DataAlign = ADC_DATAALIGN_RIGHT;
  hadc1.Init.NbrOfConversion = 1;
  hadc1.Init.DMAContinuousRequests = ENABLE;
  hadc1.Init.EOCSelection = ADC_EOC_SEQ_CONV;	//ADC_EOC_SINGLE_CONV  ADC_EOC_SEQ_CONV;
  if (HAL_ADC_Init(&hadc1) != HAL_OK)
  {
    Error_Handler();
  }

Robmar · ‎2022-12-15

No replies, nothing from STM, I had hoped for support on this.

We have a 2uS delay on the ADC1 and ADC2 completion interrupts, and this is a problem for IQ sampling.

Appreciate if anyone can advise if there is a way to fix this.

Currently ADC1 and 2 are triggered off the same timer.

FBL · ‎2022-12-20

Hello @Robmar

Would you please precise the product used? F407?

Have you tried changing dual regular simultaneous mode? So you can use DMA mode 2.

Hope this helps.

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Robmar · ‎2022-12-20

Hi, its a 32F407VG on the Discovery board.

The problem is that there are so many modes, but no clear explanations of how to make two synchronised samples of signal lines at up to 384 KHz.

Currently I am using ADC1 and ADC2 both triggered off timer3, scope shows a 2uS delay on the DMA completion Irqs.

Without knowing the inner design of the chip, and with no example of my case, I need to ask STM which is the best method to capture IQ signals on the 407VG.

I also need to get the sample range as low as possible, I understand that 1.8v is the minimum VREF+ allowed, also need verification as the datasheet has conflicting notes on this issue.

Piranha · ‎2022-12-20

Basically all the starting hints were given in this topic:

https://community.st.com/s/question/0D53W00001yi6jISAQ/adc-sample-rate-impossible-to-set-precisely-calculations-added

Why are you using injected channels?

> ADC1 and ADC2 both triggered off timer3, scope shows a 2uS delay on the DMA completion Irqs

The ISRs do not run simultaneously on a single CPU core!

> its a lot to go through a 1700 page manual

ADC chapter is 45 pages and DMA is 37 pages including the register descriptions. With reading the documentation and programming the registers (not using the HAL/Cube broken bloatware), one can to this in a single day easily.

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Robmar · ‎2022-12-21

One thing experience has shown me is that these complex devices are often not fully characterised.

I've worked with STM some years ago to resolve issues with one of their chips as there isn't a single engineer that knows how every part of the chip works.

In this case one problem was that the activity of the IRQs and DMA bus sharing is causing glitches on the transfer of data via IS2 to the DAC. I partially solved this by disabling FIFO on the I2S DMA although there is no technical information as far as I know that explains why that would help.

I also reduced the priority on the ADC IRQs in preference to the IS2, so although the sampling is running at 96 KHz, the 32F407 is unable to guarantee smooth delivery of data, which given the datasheet shouldn't be the case.

So unless you have any useful proven info to put in, no need to reply... if you can resist of course 😉

FBL · ‎2022-12-22

Hello again @Robmar,

If you use dual regular simultaneous mode, there is no need of two different completion interrupts for master and slave and this should resolves your issue, while ensuring use of DMA.

Unfortunately, your question was not clear from the beginning. A detailed description of your issue including the steps you have already taken to try to fix is strongly recommended to help you solving your issue.

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Robmar · ‎2022-12-22

Hello and thanks very much for you reply.

I've looked at the MX and see that selecting "Dual combined regular simultaneous + alternate trigger mode" on ADC1 also changes the configuration settings of ADC2, but not ADC3.

DMA access mode 2 is set automatically without other options.

I've set Timer3 event out as the trigger source, triggering on rising and falling edges, which presumably triggers conversion of both ADCs alternately, one after the other with a minimum 5 cycle delay, would that be correct?

I've also set EOC to the end of all conversions, 32 samples in this case, and presume that the same interrupt handler is called with the ADC1 handle, but on the premise that ADC2 samples have also been DMA'd to the specified buffer, would that be correct?

ADC conversion Sampling time is 84 clocks, a few clocks less than the timer period (edge to edge).

Is there anything about this mode that I should be aware of, and special requirements or known issues?

We're due to start production by the end of January so the pressure is on, appreciate your assistance.

Piranha · ‎2022-12-24

You are right that the documentation is often lacking the details, but that is not an excuse to not read it. Unnoticed hardware flaws are possible, but very unlikely, especially as severe ones as a bus sharing problems would be.

> I've also set EOC to the end of all conversions, 32 samples in this case

ADC EOC interrupt triggers at the end of either a single regular conversion or regular group. In your case the length of the regular group is 1 channel, therefore effectively it's the same thing in both cases. But it was already explained in the other topic that EOC or other ADC interrupts has nothing to do with DMA samples. You must just use the DMA TC/HT interrupts for the blocks (for example, 32 or 2*32 samples, probably even larger blocks to reduce the CPU cycle wasting) of data, not the ADC EOC interrupt. Do you enable the ADC EOC interrupt? In that case 168 MHz / 96 kHz / 2 = 875 CPU cycles. With HAL, slow code in callbacks and no compiler optimization (O0) that is the problem, not a hardware.

> selecting "Dual combined regular simultaneous + alternate trigger mode"

> triggers conversion of both ADCs alternately

Alternate trigger mode is for injected channels. It triggers a conversion of injected channels alternately, not the regular ones. You didn't answer why you are using injected channels and you are trying to use them again.

> one after the other with a minimum 5 cycle delay

ADC_CCR_DELAY field is only relevant for interleaved mode.

All of this is completely unnecessary for the requirements you have described. You just need to configure the ADC dual simultaneous regular mode with a trigger on timer TRGO, set the ADC_CCR_DMA field to "DMA mode 2", configure the DMA to read 32-bit words from the ADC_CDR register and use the DMA TC/HT interrupts to start the data processing.

It's pretty clear that all of this confusion comes from clicking CubeMX instead of reading the reference manual. Are the data processing algorithms already developed and tested? If no and the algorithms are not trivial, I don't see how that can be done in a month, especially if a simple data capture is such a huge problem.

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