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WTF go back to old community

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This new disaster put to trash, an drevert back old version

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waclawek.janBest answer

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> Edit: I am happy to see that STM32CubeIDE is steadily improving

I am not.

It's the result of the same lazy and incompetent thinking that resulted in Salesforce being forced upon us instead of working towards real forum. This thinking, which prefers glitter to real gold, suckıng resources out of the real work, see https://community.st.com/s/idea/0873W000000KyjfQAC/detail. Remember, at the end of the day, it's us who are paying the price of all this in cost of chips. I am selfish and prefer paying for solid support rather than "clicky for the masses".

Ultimately, this results in:

> I don't know if it's coincidence, but the last week of questions has been particularly awful and low-effort.

JW

Camilo LEMOS

Associate II

Hello @MM..1

I'm sorry to hear you're unhappy with the new look of the community. What specifically do you feel needs to be changed? We will welcome your constructive feedback, for sure.

Thank you,

MM..1Author

Super User

Hi Camilo,
now half my LCD is stupid panels...
now I cant see actual activity, click on My Pages shows nothing usable...
no new feature as mark replied messages to my reply unopened with bold usw...

Tesla DeLorean

Guru

Well you've made it "prettier", filled the screen with more crap, and I'm finding navigation harder. We are still getting entire questions in the title/summary fields.

Forums need to be designed to serve the needs of the users, not as a graphic design project.

Heavy and Helpful presence of staff, we had a period under the Jive Era when a much larger group of staff/FAE showed up, but it was brief, and then everyone disappear back into the woodwork.

I'd like to see some "skinning" where I can turn off and dispense with some of the excessive screen candy.

Tips, Buy me a coffee, or three.. PayPal Venmo (See Profile) Up vote any posts that you find helpful, it shows what's working..

Camilo LEMOS

Associate II

@MM..1 You are correct about no new features like bold font for content you have already seen - this is a platform limitation which we tried to work around and were unable to. Regarding My Pages, what do you feel is missing that you had before? What panels do you mean that take up too much of your screen? That is something we can fix, for sure. A couple screenshots would be helpful.

@Community member same question I posed to MM..1, where specifically do you think there is now too much litter now? Can you send us a couple of images on it? Regarding navigation, I'm also very interested in where are you finding the navigation more difficult? These are things we can fix. Just a quick point on the presence of staff; this year has been - by far - the year with the most participation from ST staff across the community. I'm genuinely surprised you get the impression that there are fewer ST employees in the community now.

Me and the team are eager to address your concerns, but I will need more specific feedback on what exactly you feel has gotten worse since yesterday.

Thank you again for the feedback!

Tesla DeLorean

Guru

Well the leader board here is on a logarithmic scale, but I think if you combined ALL staff post points, they'd still be behind either Jan's or my own individual totals.

Given the work-from-home people have been doing for the last two years, you'd think I'd be overwhelmed with people here, but I honestly can't say I've felt that. The main triage crew has expanded, perhaps from an handful to a dozen. Perhaps there's a lot of stuff going on in the background, I don't know.

There was definitely a period in the Jive Era where an all-hands memo was sent out, I don't recall how long it lasted, but a lot of internal people showed up.

You should have bought Jive, they ended up getting merged and they killed the "working" fork of the product, abandoning support for that, resulting in litigation as I recall, and a swift exit to SalesForce. It strains credulity to understand how poor their implementation of a forum is, for a Multi-$B company.

I think as I've expressed before, I'm not looking to be the least compensated person in the room discussing/explaining how a forum should work.

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MM..1Author

Super User

I send screen in my Ask , half screen Welcome ha ha

When i clik on My pages see zero against before i see here my activity ..

And here up is text about My Feed WTF is My Feed i dont see it never ...

Camilo LEMOS

Associate II

@MM..1 We have restored the My Feed component to the My Pages section of the website - this was the component that gave you a good overview of the activity.

Thank you for bringing this up to our attention!

MM..1Author

Super User

Thanks , but please change My Feed to default instead My Groups

waclawek.jan

Super User

> I will need more specific feedback on what exactly you feel has gotten worse since yesterday.

"Everything" is not specific enough? It *was* a disaster before, yet you somehow managed to make it worse. I believe it took some serious effort. Congratulations.

The most blatant are:

+1 for removing the useless top bars eating up much of the real estate (which was already unreasonably limited due to childish "modern" design, same as main st.com)
+1 for bringing back the My Feed in the form it was before i.e. a list and as the first position there
the forum (I use only STM32) has greyed out the top part (a screenful) including the menu with the rolling balls for approx. a minute, how am I supposed to understand this?
search has the same, but seemingly forever, i.e. search is completely unusable now

Please don't hide this thread from the STM32 forum to obscure places.

This is not facebook and we are engineers, how hard is this to understand and how hard is it to listen to us and to discuss things openly?

JW

K

Kraal

I have not tried to search anything yet, but I also have the loading greyed out top of the screen which stays for a long time. Fortunately you can scroll down and access all that is below. Which means that it is purely cosmetics and nothing load related.

ST, did you even try this on a real computer (i.e by somebody outside the dev team) ? This is the first thing that is visible, how can it have passed the green light ?

"This is not facebook and we are engineers" => exactly ! We need a forum and a website that is fast and reactive, waiting for all the elements to load is really frustrating when trying to access any content that is STM32 related.

waclawek.jan

Super User

> Just a quick point on the presence of staff; this year has been - by far - the year with the most participation from ST staff across the community.

Do you *really* doubt what Clive wrote?

I know some of the lesser-exposed subforums get excellent support from ST; however, STM32 is the main focus of most of the handful of users who are regular, and there's not much participation from ST - except of the general support from Moderators from the Tunis crew. The heavy support from the TouchGFX crew must show up in the total numbers, but it's just a tangential topic to STM32 themselves and I've suggested long ago to move them to a separate subforum.

In other words, the numbers you see are misleading, and we don't see real answers for real questions.

JW

PS. Okay, so prove ST's participating, here's one which long deserves a serious and deep answer form ST: how is it with the STM32 shortage?

K

Kraal

I agree, I believed that TouchGFX should have its own sub-forum, such as ST Motor Control should too.

Pavel A.

Looks like global crap-out of the Salesforce forums software :(

Compare with the SiliconLabs : link

That one also has a huge annoying blob of ads on the top, but layout looks better and it loads much faster. No endless spinning on load/reload the page.

A

Anonymous

I'm pretty newbie, but I prefer the new one.

waclawek.jan

Super User

Hi @Vahid Ajallooeian ,

Can you please be specific, which elements of the new design you see as an improvement, and why?

Also, do you see the cca one-minute "rolling balls" on top of the STM32 forum? Did you try the search?

Thanks,

Jan Waclawek

Andrew Neil

Super User

@Community member "do you see the cca one-minute "rolling balls" on top of the STM32 forum?"

Yes.

:\

https://community.st.com/s/feed/0D53W00001ExrOoSAJ

EDIT

Sometime even two sets of "rolling balls":

A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that worked.A complex system designed from scratch never works and cannot be patched up to make it work.

Andrew Neil

Super User

@Camilo LEMOS : "Me and the team are eager to address your concerns, but I will need more specific feedback"

Have you reviewed the many complaints about the previous incarnation?

Other than some cosmetic tweaks, have any of them actually been addressed?

"where specifically do you think there is now too much litter now?"

One of those complaints was the inability to quote from previous threads!

Anyhow, this looks like "litter" to me:

Well, maybe not entirely "litter" - but occupying way too much screen space.

And, as @Community member said, still getting entire questions in the title:

which really is a hog of screen space.

A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that worked.A complex system designed from scratch never works and cannot be patched up to make it work.

Andrew Neil

Super User

For comparison, in the same sized window, here is Microchip's AVRFreaks forum:

So there you have ~ two-thirds of the screen space with actual content - as opposed to just ~ 25% here.

A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that worked.A complex system designed from scratch never works and cannot be patched up to make it work.

waclawek.jan

Super User

... and that avrfreaks forum in its current Drupal-y incarnation is just a pale shadow of its past glory...

JW

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