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waclawek.jan
Super User
Jan 28, 2022 12:05 PM UTC
Andrew Neil
Super User
Jan 28, 2022 2:24 PM UTC
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that worked.A complex system designed from scratch never works and cannot be patched up to make it work.
Danish1
Lead III
Jan 28, 2022 12:33 PM UTC

It's a Northern-English expression. "t'mill" = the mill, where many people in the town are employed.

It could mean the steam engine governor failed causing the flywheel to over-speed and explode with bits of metal and masonry flying through many floors, killing or injuring many of the workers.

Or perhaps it's a flour mill, where a spark ignited a flour explosion, again with many casualties.

I guess he means that if sigfox fails, does this mean that there won't be sigfox networks deployed any more, so any hardware that relies on them will stop working? And any developers intending to bring out Sigfox products rapidly need to find an alternative.

I'm currently looking at LoRa / LoRaWan.

Tesla DeLorean
Guru
Jan 28, 2022 1:38 PM UTC

Yes, lot of activity, everyone running around nervously, causal observer queries what's happening? Trouble at The Mill..​

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By all measures that's quite a lot of money...​ So assuming the VCs made them expand geometrically, hire lots of people, and blow it almost immediately to juice the "valuation". Going to have make shed-loads of micro transactions to pay that down..

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ssipa.1
Visitor II
Jan 28, 2022 1:00 PM UTC

bad news

French network operator SigFox is in financial trouble. The company specializing in low-power networks for Internet of Things applications has been placed in receivership.

Tesla DeLorean
Guru
Jan 28, 2022 1:56 PM UTC

We should pass around a hat, could probably rustle up $20

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Would probably be a good strategic buy for someone, the Cellular carrier's might just pick it up to make sure it dies.​

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Andrew Neil
Super User
Jan 28, 2022 2:32 PM UTC

@Danish​ "I guess he means that if sigfox fails, does this mean that there won't be sigfox networks deployed any more, so any hardware that relies on them will stop working?" 

Indeed.

Although not entirely clear what the relationship is between Sigfox as the French company in question, and the operators/owners of "sigfox" networks & infrastructure in other territories?

AIUI, Sigfox (the French company) owns the IP to the technology - like Semtech own the LoRa technology - so what does that mean if the French company fails?

Also, the Sigfox network infrastructure is closed & proprietary - unlike LoRaWAN - so what happens if the company goes down?

A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that worked.A complex system designed from scratch never works and cannot be patched up to make it work.
waclawek.jan
Super User
Jan 28, 2022 8:23 PM UTC

Ah, I see. Thanks.

JW