STMicroelectronics and Arduino Launch Cooperation to Expand Maker-Community Access to STM32 MCUs and Sensors
news: Arduino STAR OTTO development board - Page 12 - Arduino for STM32
Still seems to be unavailable, and without pricing
The price tag of 70-100$ was mentioned when I was trying to find more about it last year :/
mbed framework and STM32F769I Discovery board might be a very good alternative to some people.
This board should be soon available (We hope within a couple of Months), it is under the control of arduino, it will be sold by arduino.
Stay tuned, we will get more and more involved in the arduino community.
A variant built with an STM32F7 (2MB FPU-D) would also make an interesting platform.
I suspect the real volume will be sold by the clone vendors, who seem to be a lot more nimble.
Got mildly excited by this featuring in today's STM email newsletter, however, a quick look around and it's still not available to buy anywhere !?
By the way, will this board be supported by HAL libraries and Cube or is it purely Arduino support ?
I expect you'll just be able to nuke whatever Arduino firmware is in there and just use the hardware with HAL/Cube
Meantime, a couple of pictures to enjoy... ;-)
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And the link in "ARD-OTTO-STM32 - Arduino STAR OTTO board with STM32F469BIT6 mcu, supports Arduino connectivity - STMicroelectronics - ST" at www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/product-evaluation-tools/mcu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-eval-tools/stm32-3rd-party-evaluation-tools/ard-otto-stm32.html is under "GET SOFTWARE" heading... :-)
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Is there a schematic for this?
It is supposedly "Open" so may be you should be asking Arduino directly?
Arduino Forum - info about arduino star otto
I am quite surprised how urging the requests are, in light of abundance of various Pies and similar.
Can you or anybody else please enlighten me, what's the point I am obviously missing?
I guess there is some frustration in that it was announced over a year ago, as part of ST's strategy to take Arduino focus away from Atmel
It would be one of the first with the Arduino Mega foot-print with more IO and USART access, and MicroSD card slot.
Clive One wrote:
+1 Arudino had also an internal power struggle... Unfortunately, that board/project has probably been created sometime in early 2015 and has been waiting since then.
+ on board SDRAM, Camera interface, DSI-MIPI and WiFi.
A more capable/powerful/modern microcontroller, but still inside the Arduino framework. Some people value familiarity and are ready to pay, I can only assume, a steeper price than what they would pay for the STM's discovery boards.
Well, well then... I am curious how will this board do when it finally appears.
Me too It all depends on the price, if they price it significantly higher than 50-60$ they will probably experience bad sales numbers.The new H7 discovery boards that are coming out soon will probably have the same price tag...
It all depends on the price, if they price it significantly higher than 50-60$ they will probably experience bad sales numbers.
That would be already about 150% of a Raspberry PI, Odroid C1 or similar Cortex A board. I would prefer another one of those ...
The new H7 discovery boards that are coming out soon will probably have the same price tag...
I'd rather have a version without GPIO pins tied up in stuff of dubious usability like LCD displays, MEMS sensors or audio amplifiers.I prefer to have that as optional add-on board (like the TI Tiva Launchpads with their "booster boards").
Or alternatively, as H7 Nucleo board.
It all depends on the price, if they price it significantly higher than 50-60$ they will probably experience bad sales numbers.That would be already about 150% of a Raspberry PI, Odroid C1 or similar Cortex A board. I would prefer another one of those ...
Well, that was my point - being replied that it's the Arduinoity what makes the real difference. The question then is, into how many bucks does that extra convert.
IMO Arduino as software/firmware/libraries is perceived to be free as in free beer and folks might be reluctant to pay anything beyond the price of the bare hardware, but then I am so often wrong in these things I don't believe in and don't really understand either. More social than technical I guess.
Also, ST might have been decided to subsidize these boards too.
Perhaps because of target group assumptions.
Commercial customers either want a perfectly matching evaluation board (think e.g. motor control), or a bare board with power, debug, and (all) GPIOs on headers.
I think the later, "feature-rich" Discovery boards are useless for in-depth evaluations, but mostly attracted small-budget hobbyists. This would explain the sales numbers somehow.
The Otto board seems in the middle, at least to me. Far too few headers for all the MCU pins ...
I would not want it, neither a similar H7 board.
For the die-hard Arduinoites it is the familiarity and the community.
The more recent DISCOs have got to the point they suck up all available resources for the on-board functionality, and the NUCLEOs lack things I find useful. The shield interface opens up a variety of options, although I've always found the original to be overly limited will little opportunity to stack things. This is compounded by the inflexibility of the STM32 to mux pin function.
By the time this gets to the market one might hope an F7 or H7 is available as a board variant. Although the PI, and full-on embedded Linux might make more sense for some applications it is probably beyond most of the tinkerers.
Like most boards the real pricing will be determined by the Chinese clones..
The shield interface opens up a variety of options, although I've always found the original to be overly limited will little opportunity to stack things.
That is a thing that the TI Launchpads and the Booster packs implement. Not only can you stack the add-on Booster boards, they are compatible and usable across several MCU families.
Not to advertize a competitor, but to show what would be possible ...
Clive One wrote: For the die-hard Arduinoites it is the familiarity and the community.
Something like that. There is no need for the actual shields but if you follow the schematic, you get libraries for free. Of course, I havn't seen any Star Otto boards, so we shall see how usefull they really are.
A nice board (probably). 27€. If I understand this right, Linux would run in that board. Only thing missing now is that Linux and libraries for some handy peripherals. There is a an Add-on board, too. But Google translate is not perfect, so I can quess what is there.
I'm confused why running Linux would be a desirable goal, as Avatar and Jan have indicated a RPi would be a much better play with a processor in the GHz range. I've got some 400 MHz boards we built several years ago, and honestly find them to be rather underpowered.
With Embedded Linux you really want to be where the critical mass of developers are working, not at the niche/margins where you have to deal with the drivers, peripheral, and maintenance yourself. There would need to be a significant commitment by ST to convince me that the STM32 is a viable/competitive Linux platform
Hmm, uClinux would run on that board. But, if you look on the Emcraft's web page, you'll see that they've already patched kernel v2.6 and made BSP for STM32F429 and STM32F746 Discovery boards. They also have newer v4.2 kernel for their custom STM32F7 SOM boards. Unless a microcontroller has a Memory Management Unit, you can forget about just simply compiling applications of interest from source.
As Clive has mentioned, unless you're part of some organisation, you'll probably end up avoiding embedded Linux.
Any of development boards that have a "real processor" would suit you better, e.g. Raspberry/Orange/Banana Pi.
While still waiting for it to became actually available, enjoy a couple of articles and a video... :-)
The link from the bottom of ST's page now leads to a 404, and there's no mention of OTTO at Arduino - Products .
One may now put two and two together. Not that I disliked the OTTO project ...
When the bus is a year or two late most people just catch another bus. ST was trying to be more relevant than ATMEL which owned a lot of the Arduino space, but honestly the community has fractured and way more choices available today, and people with focus on the board/micro of their preference.
I trust Roger Clark over the clowns at "Arduino" the company
Arduino for STM32 - Index page
GitHub - rogerclarkmelbourne/Arduino_STM32: Arduino STM32. Hardware files to support STM32 boards, on Arduino IDE 1.8.x …
For small form factor stuff there are these
Small, low cost STM32L4 boards
There were two Arduino websites, .org and .cc.Dot CC combined them to .cc. Star Otto was from Dot org. There is or was the Arduino Primo which has one STs Arm in it.
If ST replaced a few software managers they might have a chance. Currently to get a6 to work with their products is a nightmare, every development board could be programmed with the Arduino IDE if they would hire someone that knew what they were doing. We can program ESP WiFi and BLE parts as well as obscure Leon3 based GPS products! A perfect example is the Due, works great with the gcc compiler.
But they won't, it appears to be a 'not invented here' issue.
I do enjoy playing with their 'DISCO ' products, too bad they can't figure out that Protel version 5 binary files are useless to anyone but 'Protel' users..
They (someone/stm32duino) has ported some development boards to Arduino:https://github.com/stm32duino/BoardManagerFiles/raw/master/STM32/package_stm_index.json stick that into Preferences and you're halfway there.
When the STM32 first came out the staffing understood about IC design and the libraries were super solid, in recent years with money and hires it seems to be a bit of a train-wreck, with recurrent issues, lack of any regression testing, and no real-world use, or dog-fooding of what's being delivered.
A great deal of this stuff could be miles better with the use of GitHub, and some people who understand threaded/concurrent execution, and how this code is likely to be used outside noddy examples.
When I was the engineering back-stop to a technical support team, my goal was to keep their phones quiet from the "noise" of repetitive and recurrent issues we could fix before product left the factory dock, so we could focus on identifying real, evolving and new issues caused by the OS and computer vendors our products plugged into.
Nemerix used to have a GPS based on the Leon 3 SPARQ implementation.
"Nemerix used to have a GPS based on the Leon 3 SPARQ implementation."
Navspark now has one, you can purchase a dual GNSS stamp for $6.
With the millions Intel threw at Arduino, I doubt highly that they will let ST products see the light of day. Also, since Intel is throwing money at Espressif and their ESP32 makes it even less likely you'll see ST products featured on the Arduino products. Sorry Charlie.
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